With lifetime emissions scarcely better and net health impacts three-fold worse than combustion vehicles, destroying our car industry cannot be worth it
"If air pollution is actually the concern, running ICE (Internal Combustion Engines) on LPG is a much superior solution: super-clean with zero tail-pipe particulate."
Correct. This is exactly why you know this all actually has nothing to do the climate.
The agenda is to force people onto electric vehicles, not for the environment but as part of the digital control framework Politicians and Corporations want to force us into.
Look at the VW Group. They're making massive redundancies cuts to their product lines, and are offering China to build their Chinese EVs. This isn't giving the consumer that they want, this is corporations trying to ram their Globalist agenda down our throats.
Digital IDs, CBDC's, AI Surveillance, none of these are conspiracy theories anymore. They're literally what the corrupt Globalist regime are trying to force people to accept. Nobody asked for any of this. Nobody voted for this. It's time everyone pushed back and said no.
Communism, Stalinism, Fascism, Nazism, they are all constructs of left wing ideologies.
Left wing academics have spent years trying to use patriotism as a tenuous link to move the lefts association with Concentration Camps after the war, from the left to the right. They realised after the war, there was no way they would be able to garner support with how public the pictures of the concentration camps were globally.
But, the fact remains. The right protects freespeech. The left tries to censor opposition voices, controls freespeech, arrests people got hurty words on social media while turning a blind eye to people entering a country illegally to commit heinous crimes against women and children. So yes, the left is where everything relating to authoritarian ideologies stem from. Just another example of how you've been indoctrinated into believing yet another leftwing lie. If you had any brains, you'd realise that the best option is being neither because left Vs right is another construct designed to fracture society and keep us divided.
It was a Fa government who did the whole “concentration camp” thing. And private businesses in Germany experienced what was up until then the largest transfer of wealth from public to private ownership. Just like Trump and Putin are doing now.
Oh and since my reply, BMW are the next car manufacturer announcing redundancies because of NetZero (they say lack of demand but in truth, we all know it's because they've had crazy NetZero quotas to hit and very few people are buying cars unless they have to).
Anything Governments try to force on people is evidence of two things...
1. The Government are corrupt
2. The thing they are forcing on you is something they want us to use and not something we want to use.
Nobody forced people to buy the Radio after it was invented.
Nobody forced people to buy the Television after it was invented.
Nobody forced people to buy the Personal Computer when it was invented.
Good technology sells itself.
Globalist scam technology exposes the truth and nobody wants it.
I think the answer is follow the money. ..Anytime something is pushed at us for our own good follows this rule. If EVs are that fantastic we would buy .. 😈
Absolutely no intent exists to replace the ICE fleet with EVs.
None whatsoever.
The UN New Urban Agenda (and its initial 2016 iteration, Habitat III) makes its transport policies crystalline: walk, bicycle or take subsidised public transport.
Your 15 minute prison may be escaped (with approval) in this manner.
For those parasites sufficiently removed from their own diktats, municipal vehicular pools may be utilised for sanctioned travel.
Private vehicular ownership is a freedom, along with freedom of movement, congregation, cash, free speech, thought, dissent, debate, disagreement, that is moving towards being rigidly verboten.
Until people awaken to the reality of this Age Of Tyranny, they will sadly and mindlessly continue to bow to the sinister overtones of NetZero and ZeroTrust.
EVs are a ridiculous distraction almost no one can afford, as indeed you pointed out, the adoption of LNG or even H2 (Toyota) ICE vehicles distinctly 'UNapproved'.
Excellent article: very objective, informative and realistic. Upstream the key question is whether CO2 impacts the weather at all? All these absolutely destructive policies are done in the name of reducing CO2 because it is bad for the planet climate and if we reduce it we will control the planet weather…and in the meantime we (in Europe) will go back to the Middle Ages or pure communism; at least this is the narrative (not a convincing one) that most people believe in. But I keep saying: we vote for these morons to do these things to us so we get what we deserve!!
CO2 at current atmospheric saturation levels - ~ 440ppm - has, as I understand it zero capacity to reflect any heat; why describe it as a GHG?? As the IPCC has admitted, AWG or CC as it is now called, their climate “policy” is nothing to do with climate - will this ever reach the conscience of “ educated masses”… not until the teaching industry is completely destroyed and rebuilt IMHO .
He isn't wrong. It's long been proven that CO2 levels change because of temperature change and temperature change doesn't happen because of CO2 levels. But this doesn't fit with the Globalist agenda that they've used to push this nonsense so they've removed funding and done everything they can to silence people telling the truth.
Climate fear is nothing more than a Globalist/Socialist scam to create fear and guilt; to enable them to increase regulation of our lives, taxation and remove people's freedoms.
That's why the climate message has changed multiple times since it's conception.
Even the IPCC have had to admit that a climate disaster is implausible.
The trouble is, people who have bought into the scam, the ones who have been brainwashed, they now have a vested interest to keep it going, even if they face the truth. This is exactly why they created the green industry. So people would actively protect the very tools being used to trap them because they'd become part of the scam by taking jobs in fake green industries.
A great example of this is the utterly ridiculous idea of carbon capture plants. Total waste of time, hugely expensive (which the taxpayer will be expected to subside) with huge safety risks.
Just plant trees. They're free and they produce oxygen naturally.
Nonsense. More people die from cold every year than anywhere near because of heat or climate "change" (which is nice easy of hedging their bets because they've already been exposed twice with doom predictions which never happened). You're a brainwashed drone, nothing more than a simple puppet for the mega wealthy global oligarchs who are using this climate fear agenda against all of us, for their own personal power agenda.
“ temperature change doesn't happen because of CO2 levels. “
That’s factually incorrect. You don’t know what you’re talking about. CO2 absorbs and re-directs thermal energy. Explain why climatologists know this but you think this can’t cause warming. Use science, not conspiracy theories.
I’m happy to discuss physics, with GOOD references, but deniers here seem to want to make it about name and what some other deniers with no credibility said.
I disagree with this on a couple of points. On emissions intensity of the grid, a large amount of EV charging can be (and is) scheduled for when demand is low and, to some extent, when supply of renewables is high. I think it is more likely that the average emissions intensity for electricity to power EV's is lower than that of the average intensity for the grid as a whole - but would be interested to see evidence if it was available.
On cost - the current lifetime cost of EV's in the UK is certainly higher than petrol cars (assuming both manufactured in the UK/Europe) if all taxes (in particular fuel duty) are stripped out. Most likely this will reverse in the next few years; indeed EV's are likely to be one of a relatively small number of climate mitigating policies for the UK where the economics are more favourable than sticking with fossil fuels. I have written about this here. https://kevinlangford1.substack.com/p/are-evs-cheaper-as-well-as-greener
Sadly, the (secret) truth about EVs and Hybrids is that the manufacturing processes are hideously damaging to the planet that, all in all, if you put believe that CO2 causes the planet to warm (although, scientists have already proven that temperature change causes CO2 levels to change not the other way around) this usually means these "green" cars won't even break even with ICE cars for until they're about 20 years old. I'm yet to see any EV last that long with a functioning battery.
The fact that there is also a particulate free ICE alternative that is being actively ignored, categorically proves that the agenda is not saving the planet, the agenda is something a lot more sinister.
Well there certainly are negative environmental consequences - I thought the Niarchos book was quite good on some of these. But I haven’t seen anything particularly systematic comparing these to the negative impacts of a petrol/diesel if one ignores climate change mitigation
In an industry report commissioned by one of the Pro-EV groups trying to convince us this is a good idea, they "admitted" the following (bearing in mind that this won't be honest data, it will be the least damaging they can get away with without being called total liars).
"one-third of EV drivers who manage only 5,000 miles a year will take 24 years to break-even with an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle’s CO2 output, according to the study."
They then go on to make other radial claims (to support the idea that businesses should use EVs) that 30k/yr could bring this down to a year. Clearly the maths on that doesn't stack up but when does propaganda ever care about being factual.
And this comes back to the point about, if this was really to do with climate (which we already know it isn't because CO2 doesn't cause temperature changes, temperature changes cause CO2 level changes) then the easiest solution will be the particulate free ICE fuels since they would work in old and new cars just the same. But that wouldn't address what the Oligarchs see as a problem. Controlling people's freedom of movement within their incoming social credit scoring systems that will be linked to Digital IDs if we don't stop this madness.
"If air pollution is actually the concern, running ICE (Internal Combustion Engines) on LPG is a much superior solution: super-clean with zero tail-pipe particulate."
Correct. This is exactly why you know this all actually has nothing to do the climate.
The agenda is to force people onto electric vehicles, not for the environment but as part of the digital control framework Politicians and Corporations want to force us into.
Look at the VW Group. They're making massive redundancies cuts to their product lines, and are offering China to build their Chinese EVs. This isn't giving the consumer that they want, this is corporations trying to ram their Globalist agenda down our throats.
Digital IDs, CBDC's, AI Surveillance, none of these are conspiracy theories anymore. They're literally what the corrupt Globalist regime are trying to force people to accept. Nobody asked for any of this. Nobody voted for this. It's time everyone pushed back and said no.
Yes, and right wing authoritarians like Trump and Putin are promoting both, and both profit enormously fossil fuels.
The right is not authoritarian.
Communism, Stalinism, Fascism, Nazism, they are all constructs of left wing ideologies.
Left wing academics have spent years trying to use patriotism as a tenuous link to move the lefts association with Concentration Camps after the war, from the left to the right. They realised after the war, there was no way they would be able to garner support with how public the pictures of the concentration camps were globally.
But, the fact remains. The right protects freespeech. The left tries to censor opposition voices, controls freespeech, arrests people got hurty words on social media while turning a blind eye to people entering a country illegally to commit heinous crimes against women and children. So yes, the left is where everything relating to authoritarian ideologies stem from. Just another example of how you've been indoctrinated into believing yet another leftwing lie. If you had any brains, you'd realise that the best option is being neither because left Vs right is another construct designed to fracture society and keep us divided.
It was a Fa government who did the whole “concentration camp” thing. And private businesses in Germany experienced what was up until then the largest transfer of wealth from public to private ownership. Just like Trump and Putin are doing now.
“Quiet! Quiet Piggy!!!”
That’s your “protects free speech”, huh?
What on earth are you dribbling on about. Years of leftwing indoctrination had rotted your brain.
Anyway, I’m still waiting for an intelligent reply to some of our science discussions.
Putin murders journalists. Trump sues and threatens them.
Both start stupid wars that cost tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.
We’re in the 21st century, dude. Try to keep up.
Oh and since my reply, BMW are the next car manufacturer announcing redundancies because of NetZero (they say lack of demand but in truth, we all know it's because they've had crazy NetZero quotas to hit and very few people are buying cars unless they have to).
Anything Governments try to force on people is evidence of two things...
1. The Government are corrupt
2. The thing they are forcing on you is something they want us to use and not something we want to use.
Nobody forced people to buy the Radio after it was invented.
Nobody forced people to buy the Television after it was invented.
Nobody forced people to buy the Personal Computer when it was invented.
Good technology sells itself.
Globalist scam technology exposes the truth and nobody wants it.
EV sales are increasing rapidly.
Of course they are.
That'll be why both BMW and VW have announced massive redundancies and slashing their product lines.
😂
Is that the only basis for your entire silly notion? Don’t you think it’s worth looking at something like, I dunno, global data?
I think the answer is follow the money. ..Anytime something is pushed at us for our own good follows this rule. If EVs are that fantastic we would buy .. 😈
Yep, just like the record profits fossil fuel companies just racked up, with a big $150 billion boost from Trump’s No new wars!!!” war.
Absolutely no intent exists to replace the ICE fleet with EVs.
None whatsoever.
The UN New Urban Agenda (and its initial 2016 iteration, Habitat III) makes its transport policies crystalline: walk, bicycle or take subsidised public transport.
Your 15 minute prison may be escaped (with approval) in this manner.
For those parasites sufficiently removed from their own diktats, municipal vehicular pools may be utilised for sanctioned travel.
Private vehicular ownership is a freedom, along with freedom of movement, congregation, cash, free speech, thought, dissent, debate, disagreement, that is moving towards being rigidly verboten.
Until people awaken to the reality of this Age Of Tyranny, they will sadly and mindlessly continue to bow to the sinister overtones of NetZero and ZeroTrust.
EVs are a ridiculous distraction almost no one can afford, as indeed you pointed out, the adoption of LNG or even H2 (Toyota) ICE vehicles distinctly 'UNapproved'.
Excellent article: very objective, informative and realistic. Upstream the key question is whether CO2 impacts the weather at all? All these absolutely destructive policies are done in the name of reducing CO2 because it is bad for the planet climate and if we reduce it we will control the planet weather…and in the meantime we (in Europe) will go back to the Middle Ages or pure communism; at least this is the narrative (not a convincing one) that most people believe in. But I keep saying: we vote for these morons to do these things to us so we get what we deserve!!
“Upstream the key question is whether CO2 impacts the weather at all”
Are you STILL getting climate and weather all mixed up in your head?
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Not really. Possibly I was not precise enough which in this case doesn’t really matter. Your point is?
You said "weather"twice in the context of CO2 and what most people recognize as climate change.
My point is you are either very disingenuous or you're stupid. Likely both.
Going ad hominem doesn’t take you anywhere in any argument. I still didn’t get your point. But I’m not interested anymore. Take care.
CO2 at current atmospheric saturation levels - ~ 440ppm - has, as I understand it zero capacity to reflect any heat; why describe it as a GHG?? As the IPCC has admitted, AWG or CC as it is now called, their climate “policy” is nothing to do with climate - will this ever reach the conscience of “ educated masses”… not until the teaching industry is completely destroyed and rebuilt IMHO .
I can’t say why you “understand” it that way, but it’s wrong.
He isn't wrong. It's long been proven that CO2 levels change because of temperature change and temperature change doesn't happen because of CO2 levels. But this doesn't fit with the Globalist agenda that they've used to push this nonsense so they've removed funding and done everything they can to silence people telling the truth.
Climate fear is nothing more than a Globalist/Socialist scam to create fear and guilt; to enable them to increase regulation of our lives, taxation and remove people's freedoms.
That's why the climate message has changed multiple times since it's conception.
Even the IPCC have had to admit that a climate disaster is implausible.
The trouble is, people who have bought into the scam, the ones who have been brainwashed, they now have a vested interest to keep it going, even if they face the truth. This is exactly why they created the green industry. So people would actively protect the very tools being used to trap them because they'd become part of the scam by taking jobs in fake green industries.
A great example of this is the utterly ridiculous idea of carbon capture plants. Total waste of time, hugely expensive (which the taxpayer will be expected to subside) with huge safety risks.
Just plant trees. They're free and they produce oxygen naturally.
“ Even the IPCC have had to admit that a climate disaster is implausible.”
There have already been quite a few “climate disasters “
What planet are you on?
Nonsense. More people die from cold every year than anywhere near because of heat or climate "change" (which is nice easy of hedging their bets because they've already been exposed twice with doom predictions which never happened). You're a brainwashed drone, nothing more than a simple puppet for the mega wealthy global oligarchs who are using this climate fear agenda against all of us, for their own personal power agenda.
“ temperature change doesn't happen because of CO2 levels. “
That’s factually incorrect. You don’t know what you’re talking about. CO2 absorbs and re-directs thermal energy. Explain why climatologists know this but you think this can’t cause warming. Use science, not conspiracy theories.
Plus, if it gets as low as 150ppm, the planet starts to die because all plant life will die off...
When was that ever an issue? The planet, and humanity in general, were doing better with 280ppm, like it’s been for thousands of years.
I assume you would have made a similar case for sticking with horses. Do you simply not grasp that the fact that oil is a finite resource?
What a load. EV sales are taking off.
I’m happy to discuss physics, with GOOD references, but deniers here seem to want to make it about name and what some other deniers with no credibility said.
C’mon, Toby, is that the best you can attract?
“You know best”…. except when an atmospheric physicist explains that is the case ….
Trump’s “No new wars!!!” war just made the case stronger.
Absolutely true
Only if you lack whatever it takes to do critical thinking.
I disagree with this on a couple of points. On emissions intensity of the grid, a large amount of EV charging can be (and is) scheduled for when demand is low and, to some extent, when supply of renewables is high. I think it is more likely that the average emissions intensity for electricity to power EV's is lower than that of the average intensity for the grid as a whole - but would be interested to see evidence if it was available.
On cost - the current lifetime cost of EV's in the UK is certainly higher than petrol cars (assuming both manufactured in the UK/Europe) if all taxes (in particular fuel duty) are stripped out. Most likely this will reverse in the next few years; indeed EV's are likely to be one of a relatively small number of climate mitigating policies for the UK where the economics are more favourable than sticking with fossil fuels. I have written about this here. https://kevinlangford1.substack.com/p/are-evs-cheaper-as-well-as-greener
Sadly, the (secret) truth about EVs and Hybrids is that the manufacturing processes are hideously damaging to the planet that, all in all, if you put believe that CO2 causes the planet to warm (although, scientists have already proven that temperature change causes CO2 levels to change not the other way around) this usually means these "green" cars won't even break even with ICE cars for until they're about 20 years old. I'm yet to see any EV last that long with a functioning battery.
The fact that there is also a particulate free ICE alternative that is being actively ignored, categorically proves that the agenda is not saving the planet, the agenda is something a lot more sinister.
“manufacturing processes are hideously damaging to the planet”
Except any studies done about it in comparison with ICE vehicles and fossil fuels say the opposite.
Well there certainly are negative environmental consequences - I thought the Niarchos book was quite good on some of these. But I haven’t seen anything particularly systematic comparing these to the negative impacts of a petrol/diesel if one ignores climate change mitigation
In an industry report commissioned by one of the Pro-EV groups trying to convince us this is a good idea, they "admitted" the following (bearing in mind that this won't be honest data, it will be the least damaging they can get away with without being called total liars).
"one-third of EV drivers who manage only 5,000 miles a year will take 24 years to break-even with an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle’s CO2 output, according to the study."
They then go on to make other radial claims (to support the idea that businesses should use EVs) that 30k/yr could bring this down to a year. Clearly the maths on that doesn't stack up but when does propaganda ever care about being factual.
And this comes back to the point about, if this was really to do with climate (which we already know it isn't because CO2 doesn't cause temperature changes, temperature changes cause CO2 level changes) then the easiest solution will be the particulate free ICE fuels since they would work in old and new cars just the same. But that wouldn't address what the Oligarchs see as a problem. Controlling people's freedom of movement within their incoming social credit scoring systems that will be linked to Digital IDs if we don't stop this madness.